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Turkic speakers and R1a

The present-day inhabitants of Central Asia, from Xinjiang to Turkey and from the Volga to the Hindu Kush, speak in overwhelming majority Turkic languages. This may be surprising as this corresponds to the region where the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European speakers expanded, the Bronze-Age Andronovo culture, and the Iron-Age Scythian territory. So why is it that Indo-European languages only survives in Slavic Russia or in the southern part of Central Asia, in places like Tajikistan, Afghanistan or some parts of Turkmenistan ? Why don't the Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs, or the modern Pontic-Caspian steppe people (Crimean Tatars, Nogais, Bashkirs and Chuvashs) speak Indo-European vernaculars ? Genetically these people do carry Indo-European R1a, and to a lesser extent also R1b, lineages. The explanation is that Turkic languages replaced the Iranian tongues of Central Asia between the 4th and 11th century CE. Proto-Turkic originated in Mongolia and southern Siberia with such nomadic tribes as the Xiongnu. It belongs to the Altaic linguistic family, like Mongolian and Manchu (some also include Korean and Japanese, although they share very little vocabulary in common). It is unknown when Proto-Turkic first emerged, but its spread started with the Hunnic migrations westward through the Eurasian steppe and all the way to Europe, only stopped by the boundaries of the Roman Empire.
The Huns were the descendants of the Xiongnu. Ancient DNA tests have revealed that the Xiongnu were already a hybrid Eurasian people 2,000 years ago, with mixed European and North-East Asian Y-DNA and mtDNA. Modern inhabitants of the Xiongnu homeland have approximately 90% of Mongolian lineages against 10% of European ones. The oldest identified presence of European mtDNA around Mongolia and Lake Baikal dates back to over 6,000 years ago.
It appears that Turkic quickly replaced the Scythian and other Iranian dialects all over Central Asia. Other migratory waves brought more Turkic speakers to Eastern and Central Europe, like the Khazars, the Avars, the Bulgars and the Turks (=> see 5000 years of migrations from the Eurasian steppes to Europe). All of them were in fact Central Asian nomads who had adopted Turkic language, but had little if any Mongolian blood. Turkic invasions therefore contributed more to the diffusion of Indo-European lineages (especially R1a1) than East Asian ones.
Turkic languages have not survived in Europe outside the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Bulgarian language, despite being named after a Turkic tribe, is actually a Slavic tongue with a mild Turkic influence. Hungarian, sometimes mistaken for the heir of Hunnic because of its name, is in reality an Uralic language (Magyar). the The dozens of Turkic languages spoken in the world today have a high degree of mutual intelligibility due to their fairly recent common origin and the nomadic nature of its speakers (until recently). Its two main branches Oghuz and Oghur could be seen as two languages about as distant as Spanish and Italian, and languages within each branch like regional dialects of Spanish and Italian.

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İskandinav R1a


Modal haplotypes used below were compiled by Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA, and posted by him to the Ysearch database.  For convenience in making comparisons, I extracted those haplotypes and placed them in a table on this page
R1a Haplogroup Subclades as Defined by SNP Mutations
(An equal sign in the ISOGG column means the value is the same as FTDNA.)
MutationsStandard
FTDNAISOGG
M207=UTY2 P224 P227 P229 P232 P280 P285 | S4 S9 V45R=
_M173=P241 M306=S1 P231 P233 P234 P236 P238 P241 P242 P245 P286 P294 | P225R-1=
_M420=L146 M449=L145 M511=L63 M513=L62R-1a =
_M448=L122 M459 M516=L120 SRY10831.2=SRY1532.2R-1a1=
_L168 M17 M198 M512 M514 M515 PS68R-1a1a=
 M417 PS7R-1a1a-1=
_M56R-1a1a-1a=
M157.1 | M157R-1a1a-1b=
M64.2 M87 M204R-1a1a-1c=
P98R-1a1a-1d=
PK5R-1a1a-1e=
M434R-1a1a-1f=
M458R-1a1a-1g=
 M334R-1a1a-1g1=
L260R-1a1a-1g2=
L176.1-M100.1=S179.1R-1a1a-1h=
 L175R-1a1a-1h1 
L365 R-1a1a-1i
M343R-1b=
M124 P249 P267R-2=


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Red labels indicate markers that typically mutate more frequently than those labeled in black.
(Empty cells that are darkened indicate tests not ordered.)

Haplogroup R1a
Deme 1
SurnameKit #Ysearch
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Eastern European ModalANJNY 1325161011141212111311301691011112314203212151516111119231616181934381311                                   As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
          
HANSENRG-0019A6HD 132416101114121212131129169 9111123142032121515161112192317      11                              111213239Pvt6, Ray Leo5Andreas Kristian Marius HANSEN4Morten Hansen3Hans Pedersen2, Peder Jensen1 — of Sandby Sogn, Lollands Nørre Herred, Maribo Amt, DK
This individual was tested at Relative Genetics (please scroll to the right to see markers exclusive to RG).  Whit Athey's haplogroup predictor strongly supports his being haplogroup R1a.  His haplotype is rare, with no full match at any level in the Ysearch database (as of 6/09).
Of the four R1a1 modal haplotypes, he most resembles the Eastern European one (GD 6 at 31 markers).
   
Deme 2
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Test
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Eastern European ModalANJNY 1325161011141212111311301691011112314203212151516111119231616181934381311                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
        
TINNINGGB-001  132516101114121211131129     231420     11121923       11                              Pvt7, Pvt6, Christian Marius Ernst5, Niels Peder Rasmussen4, Rasmus Pedersen3 TINNING, Peder Sørensen2, Søren Pedersen1 (1708-1762) — of Tinning, Folby Sogn, Sabro Herred, Århus Amt, DK
This individual was tested for the GeneBase project at GeneTrack Biolabs.  He has no match in the Danish Demes project.  There are no TINNINGs in the SMGF database; his highest matches there are several 18/18 matches in surnames from Sweden, Germany, Poland, Russia, and Finland.  There are no TINNINGs in the Ysearch database.  He does have one 20/20 match at Ysearch, in surname FRENCH, plus quite a few 19/20 and 18/20 matches in a variety of surnames.  I recommend being re-tested at FTDNA to a full 37 markers to see if any of these matches hold up at higher levels.
  

Haplogroup R1a1, a.k.a., R-M198
Deme 3
SurnameKit #Ysearch
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English Modal2Y9KT 1325161111141212101311311591011112414193212141516111119231516182033381211                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
        
LARSENN26534DUZDCM198132516111114121210141131159101111231420321215151611121921161517163639121111817198121081110122122151112121481423211112111311111212Pvt7, Pvt6Paul L.5Alfred Martin4Marinus3Thomas Junius2Lars Nielsen1 — of Børglum Sogn, Børglum Herred, Hjørring Amt, DK
In the FTDNA database, our subject has several dozen full matches at 12 markers and near matches at 25 marker (all in other surnames), but no full matches at 25 or more markers, so his haplotype remains unique.  Likewise at Ysearch, he has at most some near matches at 25 and 37 markers (all in other surnames). 
This individual is not a good match with either the English or Old Norse modal haplotypes, but matches them better than either of the other two.
#N26534 has undergone deep SNP testing at FTDNA, with these results:
P207+ M173+SRY10831.2-M198+M124-M343-M56- M157- M87- P98- PK5-
The positive result for P207 proves he is R, and the positive test for M173 proves he is R1.  The negative result for SRY10831.2 is positive proof for being R1a (it's a back mutation). The positive result for M198 proves he is R1a1.  The negative results for M56, M157, M87, P98, and PK5 prove he is not a subclade of R1a1, so he is root/ancestral R1a1*.  The negative result for M343 redundantly proves he is not R1b, and the negative result for M124 redundantly proves he is not R2.
  
Deme 4
SurnameKit #Ysearch
User ID

SNP
Haplotype — as determined by STR testingKnown Lineage
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English ModalAXEZU 1325161111141212101311311591011112414193212141516111119231516182033381211                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
        
JORGENSEN67908PE23XM1981325161111141212101211291591011112514203211141516111219231515181836391311                              Pvt7, Pvt6, Trevor Carr5Bernhardt4Iver Jørgensen/JORGENSON3Jørgen Peder Iversen2Iver Lassen1 — of Korning Sogn, Hatting Herred, Vejle Amt, DK
#67908 has an uncommon haplotype.  In the FTDNA database, he has just a few full matches at 12 matches and a few near matches at 25 markers (all in other surnames).  His haplotype remains unique at 25 or more markers.  At 37 markers, he has no matches, at all, at Ysearch.
This individual has been deep SNP tested with these results:
M198+M157- M56- M64.2- P98- PK5-
The positive result for M198 proves he is R-1a1.  The negative results prove he is not a subclade of R-1a1, so is thus root/ancestral R-1a1*.
  
Deme 5
SurnameKit #Ysearch
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English ModalAXEZU  1325161111141212101311311591011112414193212141516111119231516182033381211                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
         
JACOBSONN32096S65MV 132515111114121210131130159 91111231420311214151611111921161618183336131112816178111081111122222161112121381424211212111311111212Pvt6Merle5Thomas Jensen4 JAKOBSENJens Jakobsen3Jacob Hansen2Hans Nielsen1 — of Hatting Sogn, Hatting Herred, Vejle Amt, DK
This individual has dozens of exact matches at 12 markers in a wide variety of surnames, including some Danish ones, but no JACOBSON (or variation).
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Deme 6
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Eastern European ModalANJNY 1325161011141212111311301691011112314203212151516111119231616181934381311                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
        
HANSEN117341 M1981325161011141212111311311699111123142033121515161111192315161920343513111181717811108129122125161012121481425211312111311111213Pvt [awaiting lineage] HANSEN — born in København, DK
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Our subject is equally distant from the Eastern European and English modal haplotypes.  I arbitrarily show it compared to the former.
This individual has been deep SNP tested with these results:
M198+M157- M56- M64.2- P98- PK5-
The positive result for M198 proves he is R-1a1.  The negative results prove he is not a subclade of R-1a1, so is thus root/ancestral R-1a1*.
  
Deme 7
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English ModalAXEZU 1325161111141212101311311591011112414193212141516111119231516182033381211                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
        
CHRISTENSEN141567  132516111114121210131130                                                       Pvt [awaiting lineage] of DK
This individual has near matches (GD=1) with three individuals on this page, namely, the JORGENSON, the JACOBSEN, and the LARSEN; however, these three have tested to at least 37 markers, showing they are not related to one another.  To know whether one of these matches is significant for our subject — and not more than one can be — he will need to upgrade to more markers.
  
Deme 8
SurnameKit #Ysearch
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Old Norse Modal2Y9KT 1325151011141212101311301591011112314203212151516111119231616181834391211                              As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Administrator of the Scandinavian Y-DNA Project at FTDNA.
Eastern EuropeanANJNY 1325161011141212111311301691011112314203212151516111119231616181934381311                              
EnglishAXEZU 1325161111141212101311311591011112414193212141516111119231516182033381211                              
Ashkenazi Levite Modal97P46 1325161011141212101311301491011112414203112121516111119231416192134381411                              
        
PEEL156436  1326151111151212111311291591011112414203112151515121219231916161935381411                              Pvt9, Pvt8, Orange Frederick7, Christian Frederick6, Peter Madsen5, Henning Pedersen4 PIHL/PEEL, Henning Pedersen3, Peder Henningsen2, Henning Andersen1 — of Povlsker, Povlsker Sogn, Bornholms Sønder Herred, Bornholm Amt, DK
While there is no doubt this individual is R1a1, he is not a close match to any of the modals defined by Swärdenheim, as shown above.  In the FTDNA database, he has only two 12/12 matches and two 23/25 matches, with not even a near match at 37 markers, which is not surprising given his unusual haplotype.
  

What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers:  9 or less is a non-relative; 10-12, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers:  21 or less is a non-relative; 22-25, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 37 markers:  31 or less is a non-relative; 32-37, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 67 markers:  55 or less is a non-relative; 56-67, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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